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Why Is Flood a Gentle in Pain Scene
I saw ‘Slavery and Love’.
It was a new awaken. Just in order to acknowledge this awaken (or maybe
to preen for having an opinion!?) I feel like hare
with you some
opinions. I like to think and I like-just like you like- to believe in
God and in His love. I love God. But I still feel cold in my back
when I read about the Flood or about His punishment or about
unworthy vases (St.Paul ). There is always a ‘but’.. They who talked to
God or had a divine experience still talk about His anger.. Can we
separate God of the Old Testament from God from New Testament .. isn’t
He the same?
I don’t want by all means answers from you because I
know that the answers are in my mind and in every human being mind… I
only wish to share with you that a ball is round – I know that you know-
I only wish to share.. because it is round, the puns give the
opportunity of an infinite reverse, answers, cues. Your teachings will
always find a match in the atheistic world. I mean that there always
will be someone smart enough to take advantage that the ball is round
and slam you with a well structured and polished theory which… The
evolutionst theory is still a matter of believe scarcely proved, some
just want to have monkey among their ancestors… I think that for a human
being really important is to feel faith and love and to taste it… At
last… they will not accept the fake anymore. But there is a time
for
everything.
Answer:
It would be
much too sad to believe in God which is love only because we want Him to
be like that, while He is not. It would be too sad to wish this, to ove
this, to picture this because this is the way our heart feels and
wishes, while God is- actually- different. I felt this sorrow and this
powerless in your heart, this sorrow you assume to be in other persons
mind when you talk about those ‘answers’ you say you have about God.Love
God is no other than God from Old Testament. The Flood which shivers you
it is not a sign of God anger. On the contrary, this is a testimony of
His incommensurate love, I dare to say- of God incapacity to resist
looking at human kind, is one of His ‘weak’ moments. Open the Holy
Scripture and
see this part- awful in tenderness – about the
Flood:“And God saw that evilness of humans increased on earth and all
their thoughts and wishes follow the evil all the time. And felt sorry
and repent God for creating the human”
Just pay attention to what
God think and about how Moses said this words, because you can hardly
find such a beautiful love story like Flood. Moses said that ‘God repent
for creating the human!’ (1.Note of translator) . Though is a terrible
word in the same time it is a tender and gentle word. After that God
says ‘I will loss from the earth the human I created.’ This was the
first decision of God. God, being hurt with pain, wanted to waste
everything, God – we might say- was ready to cancel Himself by
making
this, because He was close to destroy what He created.
And still God
changed His mind. Doesn’t it look shuddering to you that God changed His
mind? He changed His mind for loving the human. He decided to
let
Noah and his family live in order that the human kind to be not wasted.
God overcomes Himself, overcomes his Justice, give up all He says and
thinks just to gain back human, to save this desperate love between Him
and human. Bible doesn’t let us for a moment to believe that the Flood
must be perceived other way, the way the atheists and inquisitorial
catechismus (from which religion was teached in theological seminaries)
perceive it. One could reproach: ‘Yes, Noah escaped but all the
other people died! Weren’t they punished?’ Noah died too, it is true,
later but he died. Noah died and went where the ones who died during the
Flood went. All the right ones went in that place- named sheol- where
they waited for Mesiah. This is how Holy Scripture is teaching us and
this is how it was. Now let us see why it is not an inequity for the
ones who died during the Flood comparing with Noah.
Saint John
Hrisostom believe that death through drown which is slowly and awful was
established by God in His incommensurate wisdom.It is awful to see the
water raising for 40 days, swallowing people and animals, to see people
running over the hills, climbing trees, houses- and finally dying, it is
awful to see these and realize that you will die the same way.
Those
moments, those days- many days- those people reminded all their sins,
cried to God, broke their hearts, recover or best said- came in their
minds.
In this estate of absolute lucidity, they died. St.John says
that God could kill all the people in one moment but He didn’t do it
just because He want to let them the possibility of awakening,
recovering. Leaving this world for the land of death, they could reckon
and welcome our Lord Jesus Christ when He during those three days of His
death talked to the ones enslaved in prison. These are the Christians
from before us, these are, probably, the saints about whom St.John the
Evangelist says that ‘they opened their graves and raised to heaven ‘ in
the times when our Lord Jesus Christ laid dead on His Cross. St. Peter
the Apostle talks to us in his first United Epistle about the ones who
died in the Flood. St.Peter says that ‘God came down and talked to the
souls imprisoned, which were unduteous, in the old
times, when
long-time forbearance of God was waiting, in times of Noah.’ (I, Peter
3, 19-20). Peter believe that the Flood forepicture The Baptism and that
the water was purifying. All these talk about love- not anger – of God,
even about His incapacity in punishing us, because He passed over His
justice, His decision to lose all the people, humiliating Himself again
and again just to regain them. On the other side, not all the people who
did not die in the Flood were saved. One of Lot sons was such a lost
soul that he sinned on the ship during the Flood. He also was one of the
people who should die, lost by the water God pour, for he was not like
Noah-right soul, although he was part of his family. So this man used
nothing from being not drowned, I would say he even missed the chance of
recovering,
the chance the ones who died in the Flood had. We can not
consider as God anger the fact that someone died or was killed, by hard
circumstances or by other human. Sure, there were many other cases in
Old
Testament when the sinners were killed in order to teach, even
here there are a lot of things to be said, I rather prefer to limit the
discussion to Flood and to what you asked me. Physical death for us is
not by all means a bad thing, many of proorocs were killed, St.Peter and
St. Paul were killed. John the Baptist ‘The greatest born by woman ’ was
killed by a whore. God Himself, our Lord Jesus Christ was killed by the
ones He created, was hang on a cross, naked to be blamed, spitted. So to
be killed is not a thing of
shame in Bible's point of view, it is a
paying act. We could talk about God cruelty only if He wouldn’t suffer
in the end a death much more cruel then any death of sinners punished in
the Old Testament. This is why I say that we have here a wonderful and
great Mystery, Mystery of love which we can not share with whatever
person because it always will remain hard to understand
Why do you
say that the ones who talked with God speak about His anger? Just the
opposite, all they that saw God are talking only about His love. Take a
look at John the Evangelist, he can’t get enough of repeating that God
is love and they who love are living in God and only things of this
kind. Take a look at St. Simon the Theologist’s hymns, take again a look
at our last
theologist, starcestvo Siluan the Athonite. St. Siluan,
after he saw our Lord Jesus Christ repeats just one thing ‘ God is
Love’. He prayed using these simple words, simple just like love: ‘Lord,
do that all the people know that You are good and mercyful’. This word
have such a depth, such a depth that they seem common. It is easy to say
that God is
love and He is good but this is not the same with feeling
and knowing that God is love. To know this you must see God. If you know
other perceptions about God, tell them to me. It is true when you say
that the ball is round and every word can be distorted. I still don’t
think at this. I don’t want us to play with the words, just like that.
You should know, I wouldn’t have bliss and caressness if I would win a
fight with words only, talking with an unbeliever, which could so easy
happen. I would have nothing to gain from this if I myself wouldn’t
believe and wouldn’t know that the things I say, before persuading
someone, are true.
I am glad that true and love are more beautiful
and stronger than the words, I am glad that they are staying unchanged
and unbroken even when they are powerless. The words are
powerless.
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